Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taurino Araujo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 02:34, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Taurino Araujo

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This article is trying to use Wikipedia to promote a person that don't meets WP:NOTE. See this discussion on page deletion request at pt-wiki. pt:Wikipédia:Páginas para eliminar/Taurino Araújo. . HombreDHojalata.^talk 20:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Commentary

Agree Article was deleted from Luso-Wiki because it was created as propaganda. Should be eliminated. Luizpuodzius (talk) 20:53, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. J^♯m (talk | contribs) 17:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Page Maintenance

Let me kindly disagree about the proposition to delete this page. Taurino Araujo is a notorious person of Bahia, not the kind of popularity singers, soccer players, TV or movie actors have. He has a relevant profile on media, appearing to answer questions about law, justice and social sciences, to make it crystal clear, indeed he is a professor and the youngest person honored with the highest decoration of Bahia's parliament, representing more than 14 million inhabitants. It is common sense, quite a rule of thumb, to give such a decoration to whom has about 60 years old or more. He got it at age 44. He is notable, lots of people guess, let’s say 14 million. It´s weird, but he is the only one notorious holding a João Mangabeira Medal - CBJM not present in pt.wikipedia, maybe envy or some kind of dictatorship lovers revenge. Some say attorneys are Devil´s creation, as so are politicians and professors. This guy is all of these. But let me tell you, even under the heavy truncheon of dictatorship in Brazil, he gave his contribution to nowadays democracy and freedom. There are lots of other info you can get in the article, make a try. His notoriety is based on the recognition of his peers, the people of Bahia, his work, his professional journey and the recognition made real with medals, titles and decorations. You can’t get such things on Ebay for some bucks. I mean some things has value, others has a price tag. So, I ask to maintain the page because, as we can infer, this proposition is based on mislead. The belief is that a page must be deleted everywhere without criteria because it was deleted someware. We must pay attention to the WP:WHACAMOLE game and WP:POINT. Prudenciosilva (talk) 16:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 03:11, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Musa^Talk ☻ 15:41, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 07:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now at best as this seems questionable for the applicable notability with perhaps nothing else better convincing. Notifying DGG for better analysis. SwisterTwister talk 07:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DGG and SwisterTwister in particular. Helping with the suggested better analysis, I hope the inclusion of Taurino Araujo CBJM page in several lists should not deviate the focus and context in which it was created and through which it can stay in en.wiki, fulfilling the general requirement of notability: the discussion was initiated under a flawed argument, but should not be conducted same way. What is done in the pt.wiki is entirely this community's job, it does not concern other languages wikipedia. As can be read in the article, he is honored with the highest decoration of Bahia's Parliament, thus he is notable, as is notable everyone awarded Meritorious Citizen of the Freedom and Social Justice João Mangabeira (CBJM). It is a precondition, but, let´s assume that one decorated could be a complete stranger, an alien from outer space; after the prize he became notable and worthy to figure in history and be known. This is the wikipedia job, let info be available, without censorship and bias. Freedom for free. Taurino Araujo clearly passes WP:BASIC, which states "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability", and WP:ANYBIO “The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times”. Prudenciosilva (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. ~~outrageously~~ promotional, and does not meet any rational notability standard . Highest level national awards can bring notability, but not state awards. For the award Meritorious Citizen of the Freedom and Social Justice João Mangabeira (CBJM), it seems the ed. who started this article also started that one. And I notice that the corresponding article to the present one is the Spanish WP is marked as promotional. DGG ( talk ) 03:39, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DGG, I do not take part in any kind of promotional campaign or related activities. My concerns are en.wiki and pt.wiki, other pages in languages not comfortable to me are out of my radar. By the way, Taurino Araujo has huge coverage of media, so, a wiki page is not relevant to him as it could be for some celebrities. Perusing the Spanish page it was tagged for deletion in June, 7, 2014, and the decision was maintenance (Spanish talk). Now there is a new proposal to delete. If the page remains I infer the next year there will be a new proposal and so on. The argumentation to preserve this page was based on a technical level, discarding subjective appreciations and opinions. Prudenciosilva (talk) 17:38, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

the effect is promotional, regardless of your good intentions. DGG ( talk ) 19:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Prudenciosilva, I suggest that you take a little time to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia guidelines such as WP:GNG before attempting to create new articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because sources do not exist to support notability. E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Antes de mais nada, desculpem-me por falar em português e trazer a tradução por tradutor automático. Fui um dos criadores desta página na wikipédia lusófona e até hoje não compreendi seu apagamento lá; sou um ex-administrador, e sou da Bahia - o estado do biografado que, aqui, recebeu a mais alta homenagem de uma assembleia composta por 63 deputados (histórico do artigo que motivou-me a criação deste artigo e dos outros que citarei adiante).. Também biografei na pt-wiki outros que receberam tal homenagem (como este e este) e, curiosamente, não tiveram seus artigos apagados. Minha suposição sobre o apagamento na pt-wiki é de que há em curso perseguições a editores que possam se insurgir contra os desvios de conduta que lá acontecem e ficam impunes. Por apagamentos como este, patentemente persecutórios, a pt-wiki vem perdendo muitos bons editores. Não tenho, nunca tive, interesse em fazer propaganda de ninguém naquele projeto; e ver apagarem artigos referenciados e importantes como este, lá, é uma das muitas decepções que assistimos, com ataques que usam o sistema para continuarem impunes. Peço, assim, que repensem sobre o apagamento. Grato. André Koehne (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- First of all, excuse me for speaking in Portuguese and bring the translation by google translation. I was one of the creators of this page in Lusophone wikipedia and still did not understand their deletion there; I am a former ex-administrator in pt-wiki, and I am from Bahia - the state of the biographed, here, received the highest honor an assembly made up of 63 deputies (history of the article that motivated the creation of this and all other cited below). Also I biography in pt-wiki others who have received this honor (like this and this) and, interestingly, did not have their deleted items. My guess about the erasure in pt-wiki is that there is ongoing harassment of editors who can rise against the misconduct that there happen and go unpunished. For deletions like this, patently persecutory, the pt-wiki is losing many good editors. I don't have, and I never had, interest in doing propaganda that nobody in that project; and see erase referenced and important articles like this, there is one of the many disappointments we have experienced with attacks that use the system to continue unpunished. I ask, therefore, to rethink about this deletion. Grateful to all. André Koehne (talk) 01:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

André Koehne, you said that "(...)still did not understand their deletion there...". Can you read Portuguese? Follow the link HERE, and you are going to be able to understand that the honorable Taurino Araujo is using the Wiki as "self-promotion page" and the pt-wiki community agreed that "The additions made in the article, are all made by IPs of Salvador, Bahia, for editors who do not speak the Dutch language..." (like you), "...and a user who communicates in German. Salvador, not coincidentally, is the residence of the prestigious and illustrious Mr. Araujo". Additionally, pt-wiki decided that it was "an organized attempt to place a promotional article.". Hope I was able to help you understand the reason for "deletion there". Dr. Loo^{Talk to me} 02:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prezado, após a criação do artigo (por mim) outros inseriram conteúdo tendencioso. A solução deveria ser a reversão ao conteúdo imparcial, e nunca o apagamento. Quem criou o artigo fui eu, e o desafio a apontar que eu tenha feito "autopromoção" (posto que eu não sou o Taurino, obviamente). Obrigado por considerar nossas ponderações - mas elas não respondem aquilo que falei. André Koehne (talk) 03:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Dear Luizpuodzius, after the creation of the article (by me) other insert biased content. The solution should be a reversion to the neutral content, and never deletion. Who created the article was me, and challenge the point that I have made "self-promotion" (since I'm not the Taurino, obviously). Thank you for considering our weights - but they do not answer what I said. André Koehne (talk) 03:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
PS: E, sim, eu vivo a 757 km de Salvador e jamais editei naquela cidade. Portanto, não pode nunca afirmar "like you" neste caso! Confira o meu IP, posso editar aqui deslogado, caso queira ver com seus próprios olhos... André Koehne (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- PS: And, yes, I live 757 km from Salvador and never edited in that city. Therefore, you can never say "like you" in this case! Check out my IP, edit here offline, if you want to see with your own eyes... André Koehne (talk) 03:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources here are not reliable or notability-conferring ones — right across the board, they're all primary ones, such as press releases and passing namechecks on the websites of directly-affiliated organizations. This is not how a person gets a Wikipedia article — regardless of how much notability the article claims, the article still does not pass our inclusion standards until reliable source coverage properly supports it. I'm not an expert on Brazilian figures by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not in a position to make any sort of pronouncement one way or the other about whether better sources than this exist or not — I can only evaluate this on the basis of the sources that are in front of me, and the sources that are in front of me don't cut it. No prejudice against possible recreation in the future if, and only if, it can be sourced properly. Bearcat (talk) 03:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree - Error other wikis should not be copied. André Koehne (talk) 09:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.